• GRENVILLE BIDDULPH

    You mention “make disciples”, but surely we cannot – only God makes disciples – surely we are encouraged to” disciple all nations” (as the Greek seems to read), which is somewhat different.

  • Paul Rivalto

    ” make disciples of all nations”- (Mathetuesate ta Ethne) in the original Greek! Is the only command in the verses from Matthew 28:16-20. Go is not a command!! It would be better rendered thusly ( as you are going) or ( since you are going ). After all why would Jesus command us to do something we are already doing every day. Each morning we arise, bathe, get dressed, have some breakfast and we go to school, to work, to the gym, to shop, to—- etc. We are a constantly going people. But we have as individuals and organizations made go the command. Then we have gone! So what are the results of our going? Fully 4.5 billion people on this planet who have never heard a redemptive word of Christ Jesus. Then another 2 billion only marginally evangelized. That is my fault! If I do not believe that, then I will do nothing to correct it!

    That first century church ( individual disciples of Christ ) took the gospel to the whole known world inside of 70 years from the Day of Pentecost, as recorded in the book of Acts! You can see the progression go from mere addition to multiplication to the adding machine breaking down, through the first 9 chapters.

    Making disciples is about life transference! In John 3:22 it says; 22 After these things Jesus and His disciples came into the land of Judea, and there He was spending time with them and baptizing.

    That phrase “spending time with them” is derived from the Greek word (diatribo) meaning to (RUB INTO). So there was Jesus rubbing himself into these men and making them into disciples as He went about baptizing others. Part of His 500 followers, (disciples), when He went to the cross.

    The power and miracle of multiplying disciples for the glory of God is the only method needed to win this world for the kingdom of God. Jesus did not have a plan B! Remember John 15:8; My Father is glorified by this, that you bear much fruit, and so prove to be My disciples.

    May I suggest two books; Talley Ho The fox by Herb Hodges and the follow up book Fox Fever also by Herb Hodges. I believe the most important books that need to be read by all Christians, other than God’s word itself, and only because they parrot what is already written in the scriptures. The subtitles for these books read as; The Foundation for Building World-Visionary, World-Impacting, Reproducing Disciples
    for Talley Ho and Exploring both the Will and the Skill to obey Christ’s Great Commission to “turn people into disciples” for Fox Fever.

  • Janne

    We should first know what is a disciple and become one ourselves before we are able or even worthy to make disciples, let alone call ourselves teachers, or masters as we are defined in the book of James. James speaks about who is validated to instruct others in their path and we must understand our penalty will be more severe if we teach others and don’t even yet know what we are even talking about. Grace is abundant of course, but still let’s not teach others before we ourselves have mastered the Way of our Master.

    A disciple by definiton is a person who walks, talks and even eats like his Master. And when a disciple has learned to do everything his Master does, then and only then he can be called a master, or a teacher. A disciple obeys every commandment his Master gives him without hesitation or objections. Are we like this yet? If not, let’s forget about being pastors or teachers to others and seek the Lord some more.

    Jesus made disciples for Him and told them to make more disciples to Him who also keep everything He told His first disciples to keep. Meaning every commandment He gave His twelve and others too, were valid also for every generation of disciples after the first. You can read it straight from the Bible that Jesus’ disciples did what Jesus told them to do. They were masters/teachers to the generations of disciples and every disciple was taught to be a disciple to Jesus just like the previous generation. Hence the disciples received the nickname “christian = little Christ like one”.

    If theology explains what a disciple is differently, or some theologian explains how a disciple can’t or shouldn’t even try to walk, talk and so the very same things Jesus did, also the supernatural, then it would be humbling time BIG time in front of the Lord and seek Him before teaching ANYbody anything about Jesus or christianity or discipleship.

    May us be humble, rejecting our own understanding and pride before calling ourselves teachers or even pastors. It is time of the Lord Jesus soon. He IS coming back. Let us not be amongst the goats, but amongst the humble, obedient sheep.

    • Steve Hargraves

      If the only ones deemed fit to spread the Good News were those substantially like Christ, there would be no one spreading the Good News…the bar He set was too high to get (without prayer for His help). Yes, that means that some faulty beliefs will occur, but we’ll let Christ through the Holy Spirit correct us all bye and bye. Let’s all believe in the ability of the Holy Spirit to guide us shall we?

      • Janne

        Amen. That exactly takes away every opportunity from us to tell anybody, that we have it "right" in theology-vise, what to do or what not to do- vise or any other vise for that matter, and especially us as leaders should always instruct people not to follow us, but to follow Jesus, not to take what we teach as an absolute, only take what Jesus teaches them personally as absolute,  and for the love of God, we should never ever tell people, that they should follow our programs and schedules, because Jesus usually has a very different program and schedule for every single individual in the Body of Christ, meaning It is not our Body to decide what should be done, but HIS Body where HE decides what EVERYbody does… :) Any other way only means we have stepped in the place of God and we would be middle-men between any individuals, but the Bible speaks about there is only One middle-man, One Mediator between man and God.
        A good shepherd takes pleasure in seeing their sheep following The Good Shepherd and rejoices when people grow so much in the knowledge of God they don't need someone to tell them what to do all the time. Like a parent to children, we enjoy to see when our children are capable to deciding themselves what they are called to do, not us telling them the way.
        Servant leadership is sooo opposite of ruling over others as masters. It is Jesus leadership vs human leadership.

        There is also people who look more like Jesus in actions and speech. A good leader instructs his people to follow them and maybe the whole church grows in revelation and theology.

  • HomeScents4U

    Wouldn’t that mean for His disciples that He spoke to who were all Jewish , of the nation of Israel, to now include nations other than Israel- Gentiles? Jesus made a statement prior that He had only came to save the Jewish people, so hopefully He was referring to include non-Jews.

  • Ange

    You mentioned that we as “leaders” are to send out disciples? We are ALL to go and reach the ends of the earth NOT for us to make disciples and send them. he is refering to ALL christians.

    • Colin

      The Bible makes it clear that one of the duties of pastors is to equip the body of Christ for ministry. While it is true that we are all disciples, leaders are in a unique role. However, if a leader can equip 100 persons for missions, he or she is far more effective replicating himself that if he did ministry one-on-one. So yes, while leaders are also disciples, they also have the added responsibility of equipping/training which is another form of discipling.

    • Paul Rivalto

      If I am physically unable to go to other nations I can still impact those nations by building others, in Christ, who will be able to go! ” Making disciples of all nations” does not require the go, the go is dependent on the disciple Christ has made out of you!

  • Disciple of Jesus Christ

    Every Christian is a disciple of Jesus Christ. Will we teach cheap grace or costly grace? “Christianity without discipleship is always Christianity without Christ” (Dietrich Bonhoeffer). God’s grace be with us all.

  • Disciple of Jesus Christ

    Discipleship is not a short course or a 8-week Bible study; discipleship is a lifelong journey. In fact, making disciples must be the bedrock of every church, not just a special Tuesday night class or an after-the-fact curriculum. The churches that claim to be Christian must teach Christ and not the flavor of the month simpy to appease church financial donors. As Christ explains in Matthew 7, many will call my name, but most will be lost. Let us stop teaching a watered down Christ, but rather let us proclaim the Way, the Truth, and the Life – Christ Jesus. Let the church bring people back to Christ by teaching that we must die daily and pick up our cross daily, and to get are eyes fixed on Christ and not on the world. Church attendance across the United States is in a downward spiral. It is high time that we get back to pleasing God and stop seling out to the whims of man. Let us get back to Christ and remain there!

    • Ells

      Very well said